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23 August 2010 at 10:52 am
23 August 2010 at 10:52 am
very impressive, congratulations to both.
criminology though!!
23 August 2010 at 10:49 am
criminology though!!
23 August 2010 at 10:49 am
Ah! indeed, Well Done to Saskia and Jade, our two local Beauties with Brains aplenty and excellent exam results!!!
Congratulations to all our local girls and boys who sat their exams.
Saskia is now off to Roehampton University to study Criminology Wayhey! shure will be quiet around the house and Dover too! lol!!!!
23 August 2010 at 9:51 am
Congratulations to all our local girls and boys who sat their exams.
Saskia is now off to Roehampton University to study Criminology Wayhey! shure will be quiet around the house and Dover too! lol!!!!
23 August 2010 at 9:51 am
HOWARD
I do appreciate your comments, and i'm sure Roger is prepared, but these hearings can be very intimidating and I just hope Roger is not only fully prepared which i'm sure he is but also he has someone speaking for him. or guiding him.
ROGER
If you prefer you can reply via my e mail
keith
22 August 2010 at 9:18 pm
I do appreciate your comments, and i'm sure Roger is prepared, but these hearings can be very intimidating and I just hope Roger is not only fully prepared which i'm sure he is but also he has someone speaking for him. or guiding him.
ROGER
If you prefer you can reply via my e mail
keith
22 August 2010 at 9:18 pm
keith
it may be best to drop the subject here, we all support roger as he has demonstrated that he is a decent bloke.
any further comments may not be helpful when he goes to the tribunal.
22 August 2010 at 9:15 pm
it may be best to drop the subject here, we all support roger as he has demonstrated that he is a decent bloke.
any further comments may not be helpful when he goes to the tribunal.
22 August 2010 at 9:15 pm
ROGER
Do you have someone going in with you?
keith
22 August 2010 at 8:49 pm
Do you have someone going in with you?
keith
22 August 2010 at 8:49 pm
Vic please drop the Mrs title i may well be married but i am still an individual and to my mates im Mel thankyou for being a true gentleman though.
22 August 2010 at 7:35 pm
22 August 2010 at 7:35 pm
I appreciate your concerns Keith, I really do and I thank you for them, but I do not and have not expected Barry to become involved in this.
There are things, as in all walks of life, where the oxygen of publicity is not always helpful and this is one such case.
The truth will out and when a line has been drawn under this, the Chamber of Commerce will come out stronger than they have been for some time.
Roger
22 August 2010 at 6:54 pm
There are things, as in all walks of life, where the oxygen of publicity is not always helpful and this is one such case.
The truth will out and when a line has been drawn under this, the Chamber of Commerce will come out stronger than they have been for some time.
Roger
22 August 2010 at 6:54 pm
BARRYW/ROGER
I have no real concerns over the outcome, only to see fairness across the board.
At the moment it's difficult to judge as we have only Rogers view.
I have attended many such cases myself BAZ so it';s not a matter of stiring anything up.
Roger's a nice guy, and like in other posts I hope to be able to give some advice.
As I say Iv been there many times myself so if i can help roger i will.
of course as usual Roger is able to take this advice or ignore it.
that's his choice.
22 August 2010 at 5:39 pm
I have no real concerns over the outcome, only to see fairness across the board.
At the moment it's difficult to judge as we have only Rogers view.
I have attended many such cases myself BAZ so it';s not a matter of stiring anything up.
Roger's a nice guy, and like in other posts I hope to be able to give some advice.
As I say Iv been there many times myself so if i can help roger i will.
of course as usual Roger is able to take this advice or ignore it.
that's his choice.
22 August 2010 at 5:39 pm
Keith - you do like to stir things up.
You have been told before that due to my personal and business links with Roger I played no part whatsoever in the matters concerning Roger.
It would have been totally inappropriate for me to get involved in any way. As for your other comments/speculation - that is for and must be left to the tribunal to decide, a process in which I have no role.
22 August 2010 at 11:48 am
You have been told before that due to my personal and business links with Roger I played no part whatsoever in the matters concerning Roger.
It would have been totally inappropriate for me to get involved in any way. As for your other comments/speculation - that is for and must be left to the tribunal to decide, a process in which I have no role.
22 August 2010 at 11:48 am
Mrs Clements. Good one again and times that does have to pointed out to me.(True)
22 August 2010 at 10:48 am
22 August 2010 at 10:48 am
Was the job advertised at 24k? and Roger did say there was emails stating 24k.
22 August 2010 at 10:05 am
22 August 2010 at 10:05 am
ROGER
I do underrstand Roger, are you represented in any way?
obviously we are not in possession of the paper and facts and how they are worded.
I would be surpriized if Barryw allowed letters to go out stating Roger would be paid £24,000 knowig they probably couldn't finance it.
Also the verbal agreement not sure how that will stack up, having seen the c of c replies so far, i can't see the c of c agreeing they made any such verbal agreement, and how can it be proved
will be interested in outcome
22 August 2010 at 9:46 am
I do underrstand Roger, are you represented in any way?
obviously we are not in possession of the paper and facts and how they are worded.
I would be surpriized if Barryw allowed letters to go out stating Roger would be paid £24,000 knowig they probably couldn't finance it.
Also the verbal agreement not sure how that will stack up, having seen the c of c replies so far, i can't see the c of c agreeing they made any such verbal agreement, and how can it be proved
will be interested in outcome
22 August 2010 at 9:46 am
Vic to Chris so this is right and the other is left???? lol
22 August 2010 at 9:44 am
22 August 2010 at 9:44 am
I'd rather not say too much more at the moment, other than to say that more silly stories are coming out from those directly concerned with this matter and it may well be widened out.
Hopefully, the truth will out; if not, it won't be just me who suffers.
Roger
22 August 2010 at 6:48 am
Hopefully, the truth will out; if not, it won't be just me who suffers.
Roger
22 August 2010 at 6:48 am
food for thought there keith.
verbal agreement indeed, could be that roger may be shafted here.
i hope that is not the case.
21 August 2010 at 11:02 pm
verbal agreement indeed, could be that roger may be shafted here.
i hope that is not the case.
21 August 2010 at 11:02 pm
Chamber of commerce;
ROGER
With regard to your postings going to employment tribe. have you got representation?
Is it a full hearing, or a premilimary hearing?
In not sure(having been through many such hearings in m#any different places, not sure how your case will stack up as a VERBAL agreement of course it will come down the3 man panel.
Will be interesting to see case put forward by the c of c.
We could see your pal barryw giving support to c of c
as its chair, surely he will be called?
21 August 2010 at 10:31 pm
ROGER
With regard to your postings going to employment tribe. have you got representation?
Is it a full hearing, or a premilimary hearing?
In not sure(having been through many such hearings in m#any different places, not sure how your case will stack up as a VERBAL agreement of course it will come down the3 man panel.
Will be interesting to see case put forward by the c of c.
We could see your pal barryw giving support to c of c
as its chair, surely he will be called?
21 August 2010 at 10:31 pm
Hello Lorraine. I'll be following the link you supplied tomorrow, which will be my next possible occasion.
To find my article, you can type Celtic Dover in Kent on Google, and it will come up as the first result.
I am also on the first page of Google, Yahoo and Bing under Dimitri Alexander, and a number of my articles are on the second page of Google under the same name.
Lorraine, if you are interested in writing for Suite 101, they are looking for writers, and there are many topics to choose from.
If you are interested, just let me know on this front page, and I can explain on the members blog how it works, and how the articles have to be built up. If you are in Dover, it won't be hard to meet somewhere.
Otherwise you might be able to find out directly from Suite 101 by reading the tutorials. It's a great way to build up a writer's profile and to promote world-wide one or more topics you are interested in.
21 August 2010 at 2:15 pm
To find my article, you can type Celtic Dover in Kent on Google, and it will come up as the first result.
I am also on the first page of Google, Yahoo and Bing under Dimitri Alexander, and a number of my articles are on the second page of Google under the same name.
Lorraine, if you are interested in writing for Suite 101, they are looking for writers, and there are many topics to choose from.
If you are interested, just let me know on this front page, and I can explain on the members blog how it works, and how the articles have to be built up. If you are in Dover, it won't be hard to meet somewhere.
Otherwise you might be able to find out directly from Suite 101 by reading the tutorials. It's a great way to build up a writer's profile and to promote world-wide one or more topics you are interested in.
21 August 2010 at 2:15 pm
Alexander
Glad you are following my Dovers Around the World - published in the Dover Mercury and then on the Dover Society web site: www.doversociety.homestead.com
under 'Daughters of Dover, click on star on Home Page
As far as I am aware there are about 80+. As I try to contact people in the Dover I am researching rather than writing up what is on the net, it is not always easy. ... Will check out your article on:
Suite 101 History UK Irish, title Celtic Dover in Kent - hope others do as well.
Lorraine
21 August 2010 at 11:57 am
Glad you are following my Dovers Around the World - published in the Dover Mercury and then on the Dover Society web site: www.doversociety.homestead.com
under 'Daughters of Dover, click on star on Home Page
As far as I am aware there are about 80+. As I try to contact people in the Dover I am researching rather than writing up what is on the net, it is not always easy. ... Will check out your article on:
Suite 101 History UK Irish, title Celtic Dover in Kent - hope others do as well.
Lorraine
21 August 2010 at 11:57 am
Well put Mrs Clements you are good at doing captions but I will tell you later on what I was saying to them both.
21 August 2010 at 11:35 am
21 August 2010 at 11:35 am
Vic to Chris do you know this little piggy goes to market? LOL
21 August 2010 at 11:30 am
21 August 2010 at 11:30 am
All are very very good ,and keep them coming,and Paul what you are saying this very true,I could do it to, even with my bad legs and every pound would go back into the Town.
21 August 2010 at 11:04 am
21 August 2010 at 11:04 am
Vic to Chris shake my hands they are clean lol
21 August 2010 at 10:41 am
21 August 2010 at 10:41 am
Vic to Cllr Chris P.
"If the Town Council give me the £500milion now,
I'll run the port myself and cut out the middlemen!"
21 August 2010 at 8:38 am
"If the Town Council give me the £500milion now,
I'll run the port myself and cut out the middlemen!"
21 August 2010 at 8:38 am
Paul very Good,do you Know something I do not know.?
21 August 2010 at 7:14 am
21 August 2010 at 7:14 am
Vic is saying - this year the party I am with is.....
20 August 2010 at 11:26 pm
20 August 2010 at 11:26 pm
Very Good Howard but it was £2.50p
20 August 2010 at 8:15 pm
20 August 2010 at 8:15 pm
how about a caption competition for the top photo?
i will start things off
vic to chris "it is just a fiver to join my party"
chris to vic "give me a tenner and i will sign up"
20 August 2010 at 7:32 pm
i will start things off
vic to chris "it is just a fiver to join my party"
chris to vic "give me a tenner and i will sign up"
20 August 2010 at 7:32 pm
It's done! I've noticed that Kent is associated world-wide to gardening, as most of the Google adverts on the Suite 101 article are about gardens and gardening. Although I wrote about Kent, I didn't nebtion gardens, but evidently the world-wide networks automatically conect Kent to the Garden of England!
20 August 2010 at 5:35 pm
20 August 2010 at 5:35 pm
Lorraine, I am just about to edit another article on Dover on Suite 101 in British Columbia, it's about Dover's origins! Dover is probably the oldest settlement in Britain. You will soon find the article on Suite 101 History UK Irish, title Celtic Dover in kent!
It wil be my sixth article.
20 August 2010 at 1:59 pm
It wil be my sixth article.
20 August 2010 at 1:59 pm
We was not bemused in anyway Howard.That might be the case with the council but not members of the public who were there.
20 August 2010 at 11:51 am
20 August 2010 at 11:51 am
good pictures there, great to hear bobby g giving it large.
as you say oceans of statistics are rolled out at such events and town councillors must have been as bemused as the member of the public present.
20 August 2010 at 10:36 am
as you say oceans of statistics are rolled out at such events and town councillors must have been as bemused as the member of the public present.
20 August 2010 at 10:36 am
I appreciate that the meeting last night (Thursday) regarding the future of DHB - to give its correct title, not the one Mr Goldfield insists on. at DTC is and should get major coverage and be the subject of debate. However, there are other 'gems' that we a losing one fo which is a major access to our history.
East Kent has a wealth of local history - ours can be traced further back than anywhere else in the County. Dover, as one of the main ports of entry to England for thousands of years, features well. Further, because our town’s forebears got their act together early, our documented history is second to none. These, together, with supporting arguments justified KCC Archives having a satellite section on the Whitfield Business Park. Indeed, if memory serves me correct, DDC contributed towards the cost.
Sometime ago KCC decided that the Archives should be housed in a brand new building at Maidstone and to cut cost, the Dover branch had to close.
At Dover, library Local Studies section is no longer in the hands of librarians who held as much knowledge in their heads as there is in the various cabinets. I hasten to say here, that the present librarians work very hard, are incredibly helpful and show amazing patience even when confronted with ‘awkward’ punters. Albeit, the emphasis dictated by County is functional such that the atmosphere is not always what it use to be.
In the light of what has happened to the Archive Centre at Whitfield and the changes at the Dover Local Studies section, one cannot help wondering how long it will be that Dover will have the latter?
Lorraine Sencicle
20 August 2010 at 9:48 am
East Kent has a wealth of local history - ours can be traced further back than anywhere else in the County. Dover, as one of the main ports of entry to England for thousands of years, features well. Further, because our town’s forebears got their act together early, our documented history is second to none. These, together, with supporting arguments justified KCC Archives having a satellite section on the Whitfield Business Park. Indeed, if memory serves me correct, DDC contributed towards the cost.
Sometime ago KCC decided that the Archives should be housed in a brand new building at Maidstone and to cut cost, the Dover branch had to close.
At Dover, library Local Studies section is no longer in the hands of librarians who held as much knowledge in their heads as there is in the various cabinets. I hasten to say here, that the present librarians work very hard, are incredibly helpful and show amazing patience even when confronted with ‘awkward’ punters. Albeit, the emphasis dictated by County is functional such that the atmosphere is not always what it use to be.
In the light of what has happened to the Archive Centre at Whitfield and the changes at the Dover Local Studies section, one cannot help wondering how long it will be that Dover will have the latter?
Lorraine Sencicle
20 August 2010 at 9:48 am
His plan I am sorry would not work any money we put in would not have a return in our pocket,and there is not the time to work it all out we are looking at less then two years before it is sold off,and we are looking at about £1billion or more,the public of Dover would not give up £10 or more to his plan and he went on to say how the rest of the funding could be got but it is all one big "If".I have alot more to put into this but i am off the Hos/so will be done later.
20 August 2010 at 9:17 am
20 August 2010 at 9:17 am
There is still the open option for quality debate, Mr. Shirley. Concerning Dover there is so much to debate.
19 August 2010 at 4:10 pm
19 August 2010 at 4:10 pm
Alan
If you can't stand a bit of ribbing you shouldn't be involved in public service. I wish you well in future ventures. I have family in both of the locations you mentioned in your post....you couldn't take over a large Melton Mowbray pork pie for my sister in law who resides in Singapore? She's missing them like crazy...
19 August 2010 at 11:55 am
If you can't stand a bit of ribbing you shouldn't be involved in public service. I wish you well in future ventures. I have family in both of the locations you mentioned in your post....you couldn't take over a large Melton Mowbray pork pie for my sister in law who resides in Singapore? She's missing them like crazy...
19 August 2010 at 11:55 am
your choice alan but i have read the posts and see one rather mild tongue in cheek comment, the rest seem acceptable to me.
which of the comments are without foundation?
wo would all like to hear your side of the story.
19 August 2010 at 11:06 am
which of the comments are without foundation?
wo would all like to hear your side of the story.
19 August 2010 at 11:06 am
I had thought that joining this site would allow intelligent and quality debate to take place. However, the sarcasm of the last contributor and the comments without foundation are really inappropriate.
I will refrain from commenting again on this matter and let due process take place.
19 August 2010 at 10:54 am
I will refrain from commenting again on this matter and let due process take place.
19 August 2010 at 10:54 am
Roger
Best of luck with the Tribunal. I believed (and still do) that you were the right man for the right job. The way you were treated was disgraceful in my humble opinion.
Are you sure you didn't resign to concentrate on your business interests in Singapore and Sydney....lol. Dover High St must appear very run of the mill in comparison to those exotic famous locations.
19 August 2010 at 8:11 am
Best of luck with the Tribunal. I believed (and still do) that you were the right man for the right job. The way you were treated was disgraceful in my humble opinion.
Are you sure you didn't resign to concentrate on your business interests in Singapore and Sydney....lol. Dover High St must appear very run of the mill in comparison to those exotic famous locations.
19 August 2010 at 8:11 am
I will find this very difficult to make comment as I am taking the Chamber of Commerce to an Employment Tribunal for non payment of salary from November 24th. to March 24th. when Alan and Cameron MacSween sacked me - there's no other word for it.
I did not resign over a £9,500 salary - reduced (on a whim ?) from an agreed £24,000 to this £9,500; I was sacked - pure and simple.
I responded to an advert in the Dover Express (29th. of October)for a Business Support Manager for the Dover District Chamber of Commerce.
I attended an interview on November 6th.
On November 24th. at the launch of Dover Business Suppport, Cameron Macsween announced to the world that - and I quote:
"David Foley and Alan Shirley interviewed candidates who responded to our advert for this role, and I am very pleased to announce that a very enthusiastic and able person has been selected - Roger Walkden".
A verbal contract of employment existed between Cameron Macsween and myself - made during many talks during last summer. Alan knew the salary was £24,000 - I helped to write the DBS Business Plan.
The Business Plan for Dover Business Support, submitted to Dover Town and District Councils, as well as Dover Harbour Board, quite clearly stated a salary of £24,000 pa. Not an intended one for the future, but for now.
An email from Cameron Macsween to The Town Clerk at Dover Town Council quite clearly states that the salary is £24,000.
There was an expectation from me to receive a salary and an expectation from the Chamber of Commerce to pay one.
Alan, who I always respected, has now stated that I said I was a volunteer; this is completely and utterly untrue - so untrue I would swear it on my son's life and Jean's.
I have never said I was a volunteer - never.
I could go on and talk about the evening of my sacking; it would certainly make interesting reading, but for now........
I waited five years for the opportunity to work for Dover and the businesses here in an official "paid" capacity; I would NOT have resigned over a measly £9,500, especially when there was £19,500 on the table and rest would have so easily been made up to the £24,000 from signing people up to DBS.
I'm going to stop now as this could cause even more damage to the Chamber and that is not necessary - should not be necessary.
Why does Alan feel he wants to wash the Chamber's dirty linen in public ? In an attempt to get out of paying me the salary I should have been paid ?
There's is an Employment Tribunal hearing in November and Alan will called as a witness; it would be against his personal and possibly business interests and that of the Chamber to "kiss and tell" or make up more stories.
I am (putting it mildly) surprised at this.
Roger
19 August 2010 at 7:30 am
I did not resign over a £9,500 salary - reduced (on a whim ?) from an agreed £24,000 to this £9,500; I was sacked - pure and simple.
I responded to an advert in the Dover Express (29th. of October)for a Business Support Manager for the Dover District Chamber of Commerce.
I attended an interview on November 6th.
On November 24th. at the launch of Dover Business Suppport, Cameron Macsween announced to the world that - and I quote:
"David Foley and Alan Shirley interviewed candidates who responded to our advert for this role, and I am very pleased to announce that a very enthusiastic and able person has been selected - Roger Walkden".
A verbal contract of employment existed between Cameron Macsween and myself - made during many talks during last summer. Alan knew the salary was £24,000 - I helped to write the DBS Business Plan.
The Business Plan for Dover Business Support, submitted to Dover Town and District Councils, as well as Dover Harbour Board, quite clearly stated a salary of £24,000 pa. Not an intended one for the future, but for now.
An email from Cameron Macsween to The Town Clerk at Dover Town Council quite clearly states that the salary is £24,000.
There was an expectation from me to receive a salary and an expectation from the Chamber of Commerce to pay one.
Alan, who I always respected, has now stated that I said I was a volunteer; this is completely and utterly untrue - so untrue I would swear it on my son's life and Jean's.
I have never said I was a volunteer - never.
I could go on and talk about the evening of my sacking; it would certainly make interesting reading, but for now........
I waited five years for the opportunity to work for Dover and the businesses here in an official "paid" capacity; I would NOT have resigned over a measly £9,500, especially when there was £19,500 on the table and rest would have so easily been made up to the £24,000 from signing people up to DBS.
I'm going to stop now as this could cause even more damage to the Chamber and that is not necessary - should not be necessary.
Why does Alan feel he wants to wash the Chamber's dirty linen in public ? In an attempt to get out of paying me the salary I should have been paid ?
There's is an Employment Tribunal hearing in November and Alan will called as a witness; it would be against his personal and possibly business interests and that of the Chamber to "kiss and tell" or make up more stories.
I am (putting it mildly) surprised at this.
Roger
19 August 2010 at 7:30 am