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Sea Pictures from Dover.
Sailing Ships just off Dover: Europa above and De Gallant below...
We have 340 plus pages below now...use our own SEARCH ENGINE just below to help you trawl through. All pictures are the copyright of the owners.
Editor: Paul Boland - dover7@msn.com
Post 4890
Colette B, Dover
Fabulous photos there Ben 
It was good to see you last week, I was there again yesterday but you must have been having a well earned day's rest
Post 4394, beautiful photos Mr B ......... we are sailing!
That's a great image for Remembrance Sunday
Sunday, 12 November 2017 - 13:42
It was good to see you last week, I was there again yesterday but you must have been having a well earned day's rest
Post 4394, beautiful photos Mr B ......... we are sailing!
That's a great image for Remembrance Sunday
Sunday, 12 November 2017 - 13:42
Post 4889
Sea News, Dover
THE PICTURES ABOVE ARE BY LIFEBOATMAN...BEN PAYNE.
Many thanks Ben once again... cracking pictures there. AND we have TWO more to follow on Monday morning.
Ben sent over the following email packed with info...so rather than yours truly trying to explain things, we will let Ben do the talking ..
"
Hi Paul,
Hope you are well. I saw Colette in the hotel last week and gave her my new email to pass on to you. We had been chatting about why the presence of so many lifeboats recently.
We had a relief boat recently 17-38 Daniel L Gibson which is named after a Yorkshire farmers only son who passed away aged just 28. His legacy provided 75% of the £2 million needed to build a Severn class lifeboat at the time. So having the boat named after his son is a fitting memorial which brought end to generations of farming in the family. 17-09 is now back on service as stations boat.
We had Dungeness stay in the marina for two days as they had some technical issues with their slars (Shannon launch and recovery system) and were unable to recover the boat until the issue was resolved.
Our boat 17-09 has been undergoing an electrical upgrade seeing a new radar installed along with a state of the art chart plotter and direction finding equipment. It’s more or less the same as a Shannon class lifeboats equipment now but in a Severn.
Also today we saw Bridlington's new Shannon class 13-22 stop over night while she is in passage to Bridlington. Her next stop is Lowestoft then onto Scarborough and back to Bridlington Sunday for her eagerly awaited arrival. Pics to follow.
Hope all is good.
Kind regards
Ben
"
Don't forget...TWO more pictures to follow tomorrow of the Bridlington boat. The pix will be part of one of our Monday pinned specials.
PaulB
Sunday, 12 November 2017 - 07:32
Post 4888
Sea News, Dover
Beautiful Weekend Sailing in Dover Harbour.
These pictures are from last weekend, taken obviously in gorgeous sunny and colourful weather. The yacht Torbellin now free from summer marker restrictions had free rein to go wherever she wanted...outside of the DWDR Exclusion Zone of course.
Aahhh the tranquillity of it all...
Sadly the weather isn't like that today, we are currently enduring slate grey drizzle with dire visibility..
PaulB.
Saturday, 11 November 2017 - 08:17
These pictures are from last weekend, taken obviously in gorgeous sunny and colourful weather. The yacht Torbellin now free from summer marker restrictions had free rein to go wherever she wanted...outside of the DWDR Exclusion Zone of course.
Aahhh the tranquillity of it all...
Sadly the weather isn't like that today, we are currently enduring slate grey drizzle with dire visibility..
PaulB.
Saturday, 11 November 2017 - 08:17
Post 4887
Sea News, Dover
The Barent Zanen suction dredger still plying her trade back and forth. There she goes again above late Wednesday moving off gently through the gloom, but somehow more colourful gloom this time, and heading back to the Thames estuary to suck up more sand ...which is all destined for us here in Dover.
She must have called for extra help as she was soon joined by Afon Lligwy as the picture below shows. In the background you can see of course Barent Zanen with Morag M in attendance as is the usual procedure. Its a packed picture as also coming into play we can see the harbour patrol/pilot boat. You can see the orange clad guys working away there on the platform...
Well done Mike good to see those pictures below of Pickle and good to have that info too.
Excellent work from our 'inshore correspondent' below there. Don't miss those pix.
Good one Ed of Esmeralda...yours truly is having some trouble getting the reefers at the moment !!
Yes Vic - heck of a large tooth that one. Hopefully your dentist wont have to pull anything that big!
Don't miss those extra special pictures of the woolly mammoth tooth further below..see 4389.
PaulB.
Friday, 10 November 2017 - 06:27
Post 4886
Mike J., Dover
The elegant PICKLE [posts 4352/66] returned to Dover late on Wednesday night from Plymouth & sailed late afternoon on Thursday, heading north, probably returning to Hull where she is based.
Dover's lifeboat 17-09 CITY OF LONDON 2 is back in service.
AIS Thursday evening showed lifeboat 13-22 ANTHONY PATRICK JONES as having arrived from Gosport & she is thought to be overnighting on a delivery trip to Bridlington, being one of the newest of the 'Shannon' class, the same type as stationed at Dungeness which visited Dover recently [4364].
Thursday, 9 November 2017 - 23:15
Dover's lifeboat 17-09 CITY OF LONDON 2 is back in service.
AIS Thursday evening showed lifeboat 13-22 ANTHONY PATRICK JONES as having arrived from Gosport & she is thought to be overnighting on a delivery trip to Bridlington, being one of the newest of the 'Shannon' class, the same type as stationed at Dungeness which visited Dover recently [4364].
Thursday, 9 November 2017 - 23:15
Post 4885
Ed Connell, Dover Strait
Esmeralda at the DCT yesterday.
Thursday, 9 November 2017 - 18:45
Thursday, 9 November 2017 - 18:45
Post 4884
victor matcham, Dover
Well that is some find,I am having one out next week,they tell me I have big ones,but I do not think it is that big.
Thursday, 9 November 2017 - 08:40
Thursday, 9 November 2017 - 08:40
Post 4883
Sea News, Dover
DWDR TEAM MAKE MAMMOTH DISCOVERY
The team working on Port of Dover's flagship Dover Western Docks Revival (DWDR) has made a mammoth discovery after unearthing a fossilised mammoth tooth during the excavation of the Wellington Dock Navigation Channel.
The incredible find was made by the principal contractor’s piling supervisor and was being overseen by specialist heritage experts, Archaeology South-East (ASE), who are controlling the excavation at the DWDR construction site.
Kristina Krawiec, Senior Archaeologist, ASE said: "This mammoth find is one of a range of similar finds from the region. It will be subjected to scientific analysis as part of the ongoing archaeological works at the site."
It's not clear how old the tooth is, but the last mammoths are believed to have walked in Britain over 14,000 years ago.
What happened to the mammoth still remains a mystery, but some believe that they were wiped out by an asteroid which sparked huge climate change. Other theories suggest human hunting was to blame.
Josie Sinden, DWDR Conservation Officer, Port of Dover said: "It's not clear how the tooth ended up in Dover, but some suggestions include it washing down the River Dour, washing up on the beach, used as some sort of structure by previous inhabitants or even purposely placed as a sacred item."
The ferry services operating between Dover and France are sometimes referred to as providing a sort of land bridge. The mammoth tooth illustrates the fact the UK was once connected by land to the rest of the near continent across which mammoths and other prehistoric creatures may have once roamed."
ENDS
Amazing find above there...the pictures are truly fascinating.
Many thanks to the Port for the info and pictures as ever.
* *
She was followed in by Esmeralda ( The Bells The Bells...it must be a whole 3 weeks since I did that joke !
)The pictures are from a previous time as impossible to get shots at the moment due to the short days...they come in the dark , leave in the dark. But we battle on...
Welcome shot and info below Mike. Nice pic that for sure.
Thanks Vic once again.
PaulB
Thursday, 9 November 2017 - 07:35
Post 4882
Mike J., Dover
Two ALERTs in Dover on Wednesday.
Trinity House's ALERT came into Dover late Tuesday afternoon from Harwich & tied up, as usual, alongside the DAVID CHURCH& was still there Wednesday evening.
Wednesday morning the Border Agency's ALERT was in the Tidal Basin.
No info on her movements as her AIS is rarely switched on, presumably for security reasons.
She visits Ramsgate more often than Dover.
Wednesday, 8 November 2017 - 23:52
Trinity House's ALERT came into Dover late Tuesday afternoon from Harwich & tied up, as usual, alongside the DAVID CHURCH& was still there Wednesday evening.
Wednesday morning the Border Agency's ALERT was in the Tidal Basin.
No info on her movements as her AIS is rarely switched on, presumably for security reasons.
She visits Ramsgate more often than Dover.
Wednesday, 8 November 2017 - 23:52
Post 4881
victor matcham, Dover
Sir you are right to put the Dover MP report on this page, I do not support him but in this case we are not the court of justice, we do not know anything about his case so untill a 100% verdict is given out then he should carry on ,after all he is still the MP for Dover and Deal. Going back to the port we can see the weather is not good and a high wind which will slow the work up but makes great photos.
Wednesday, 8 November 2017 - 09:04
Wednesday, 8 November 2017 - 09:04
Post 4880
Sea News, Dover
With the Barent Zanen in port again, here we go with more pictures of the disgorging pipeline. The action looking spectacular against the blazing sunlight of just a couple of days ago. For more info see also Patrick's post 4375.
Many of you will know our local MP Charlie Elphicke has been suspended by the Conservative Party following serious harassment allegations. The matter is still pending...but just immediately prior to this development, Charlie sent over to us his usual newsletter and here it is...
Three good reasons to invest £1 billion at the front line
__________________________________________________
Dear Mr Boland,
We must be ready on day one for every eventuality of Brexit – particularly at the Dover frontline. Planning for no deal is not simply a negotiation point in our talks with the European Union. Increasingly it is the responsible thing to do.
This was the case I made in the House of Commons last week – that it is in the national interest to be ready on day one. There are three key reasons.
First, insurance. You buy house insurance before you are burgled. In the same way we should insure against the risks of error in the current Brussels brinkmanship by making sure we are ready on day one.
Second, to get the best deal. Any experienced negotiator will tell you that if you want a deal, prepare first for no deal. If you can walk away you get a better price and better terms.
Third, this is no regrets spending. Our customs computers are creaking, the border systems are ageing and roads in Kent are far from resilient. In other words, this is investment we need at the Port of Dover and Eurotunnel anyway.
Lack of investment already costs the economy billions of pounds when there are problems at the Channel Ports. In 2015, tailbacks caused by strikes in Calais caused queues of 4,600 lorries over 30 miles. In 2016, a lack of French border police at Dover caused huge tailbacks with miles of traffic and 250,000 people caught up in the delay. Gridlock at Dover will mean gridlock for the British economy.
It would be wrong to wait until the last moment to start investing. It is in the national interest that we invest now. At least £1 Billion should be set aside in the November Budget to invest in upgrading our systems and infrastructure so that we will be ready on day one to forge ahead on day two.
Now, some will say that however ready we are they won’t be ready across the English Channel. Yet ports like Calais and Dunkirk would be required to upgrade their systems in line with a new global trade agreement that came into force in February. So if we start preparing now, there is no need for queues of lorries on either side of the Channel.
Others will say we cannot possibly be ready in time. That our system of administration and government organisation simply cannot cope. These are not people who believe in Britain. Nor are they people who have studied our history. For when there is a need, there is no obstacle we cannot overcome – no challenge we cannot meet. We can do this – and we must do this to deliver the greatest opportunities offered to our future generations by seeking a global future.
Yet we must prepare now. As the closest point to Europe, the most important preparations of all will be at the Dover frontline.
CHARLIE ELPHICKE, MP FOR DOVER AND DEAL.
______________________________________
Back to the Barent Zanen again, this time with a wider shot to show the whole scene as she pumps her cargo of sand into the designated reclaim area.
Wednesday, 8 November 2017 - 06:15
Many of you will know our local MP Charlie Elphicke has been suspended by the Conservative Party following serious harassment allegations. The matter is still pending...but just immediately prior to this development, Charlie sent over to us his usual newsletter and here it is...
Three good reasons to invest £1 billion at the front line
__________________________________________________
Dear Mr Boland,
We must be ready on day one for every eventuality of Brexit – particularly at the Dover frontline. Planning for no deal is not simply a negotiation point in our talks with the European Union. Increasingly it is the responsible thing to do.
This was the case I made in the House of Commons last week – that it is in the national interest to be ready on day one. There are three key reasons.
First, insurance. You buy house insurance before you are burgled. In the same way we should insure against the risks of error in the current Brussels brinkmanship by making sure we are ready on day one.
Second, to get the best deal. Any experienced negotiator will tell you that if you want a deal, prepare first for no deal. If you can walk away you get a better price and better terms.
Third, this is no regrets spending. Our customs computers are creaking, the border systems are ageing and roads in Kent are far from resilient. In other words, this is investment we need at the Port of Dover and Eurotunnel anyway.
Lack of investment already costs the economy billions of pounds when there are problems at the Channel Ports. In 2015, tailbacks caused by strikes in Calais caused queues of 4,600 lorries over 30 miles. In 2016, a lack of French border police at Dover caused huge tailbacks with miles of traffic and 250,000 people caught up in the delay. Gridlock at Dover will mean gridlock for the British economy.
It would be wrong to wait until the last moment to start investing. It is in the national interest that we invest now. At least £1 Billion should be set aside in the November Budget to invest in upgrading our systems and infrastructure so that we will be ready on day one to forge ahead on day two.
Now, some will say that however ready we are they won’t be ready across the English Channel. Yet ports like Calais and Dunkirk would be required to upgrade their systems in line with a new global trade agreement that came into force in February. So if we start preparing now, there is no need for queues of lorries on either side of the Channel.
Others will say we cannot possibly be ready in time. That our system of administration and government organisation simply cannot cope. These are not people who believe in Britain. Nor are they people who have studied our history. For when there is a need, there is no obstacle we cannot overcome – no challenge we cannot meet. We can do this – and we must do this to deliver the greatest opportunities offered to our future generations by seeking a global future.
Yet we must prepare now. As the closest point to Europe, the most important preparations of all will be at the Dover frontline.
CHARLIE ELPHICKE, MP FOR DOVER AND DEAL.
______________________________________
Back to the Barent Zanen again, this time with a wider shot to show the whole scene as she pumps her cargo of sand into the designated reclaim area.
Wednesday, 8 November 2017 - 06:15
Post 4879
howard mcsweeney, dover
The result is expected at the end of the year Mike, my suspicion is that the MMO will release it just before Christmas so that the flak from the losing side lessens before they get back to work two weeks later
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 20:54
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 20:54
Post 4878
Mike J., Dover
The DHB still have designs on the Goodwins & are waiting for a decision from the MMO.
An extract from the government's website 'Goodwin Sands Aggregate Dredging Scheme'
Issued last September -
. . . . . . . The MMO on 20 December 2016 has requested further information from Dover Harbour Board to assess the impacts of the proposed dredging, which has now been received. A further consultation on this additional information started on 17 August 2017 and will end on 28 September 2017.
The application for a marine licence has also been updated to:
•reduce the volume of material required;
•reduce the proposed dredge area; and
•alter the stages of the indicative dredging programme . . . . . .
If permission is granted three visits a day from the dredger are expected.
No info at all as to when a decision will be made.
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 11:28
An extract from the government's website 'Goodwin Sands Aggregate Dredging Scheme'
Issued last September -
. . . . . . . The MMO on 20 December 2016 has requested further information from Dover Harbour Board to assess the impacts of the proposed dredging, which has now been received. A further consultation on this additional information started on 17 August 2017 and will end on 28 September 2017.
The application for a marine licence has also been updated to:
•reduce the volume of material required;
•reduce the proposed dredge area; and
•alter the stages of the indicative dredging programme . . . . . .
If permission is granted three visits a day from the dredger are expected.
No info at all as to when a decision will be made.
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 11:28
Post 4877
Sea News, Dover
Vic - I have no hard info on that one I'm afraid. 
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 09:09
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 09:09
Post 4876
victor matcham, Dover
Thank you and I will do that,back to news on the port,do you know if the D,H,B, have now given up the fight to take sand from the Goodwin.?
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 08:14
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 08:14
Post 4875
Sea News, Dover
A couple of pictures above there of the lifeboat from sunday morning. In fact its actually the same picture but the second one cropped and zoomed. Wasn't sure which one to use, one dithers, so used both and that sorted the dilemma. The pictures show the reserve lifeboat ( Daniel L Gibson ) in action just as she re-enters harbour at around 11.30am..hopefully I've got the name right there but no doubt Sarah will be able to correct me in due course if I haven't. I don't have Mike's previous pic in front of me as I write.
Below some pictures of Afon Lligwy rolling and lolling in the strong winds and high tide of Saturday morning. She had meandered over close-ish to Dover 9 for some reason, and for a moment I thought she might be intending to do those tug duties normally carried out by Dauntless and Doughty...but no...
Anyway here she is...
PaulB
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 06:01
Post 4874
Sea News, Dover
Hi Vic, sorry to hear that news about Andy Cooper, sad news that indeed. Pass on our best wishes from all here.
We hope and pray for a speedy recovery.
Paul
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 05:48
We hope and pray for a speedy recovery.
Paul
Tuesday, 7 November 2017 - 05:48
Post 4873
brian, dover
sorry to hear that vic, can you pass on my regards to him and his wife for me. thanks in advance.
Monday, 6 November 2017 - 19:09
Monday, 6 November 2017 - 19:09
Post 4872
victor matcham, Dover
Again great photos of the port and I see the D.H.B is now using sand which did not cme from the goodwin. And just to tell any of you who knows Mr Cooper who move from Dover to Scotland some 4years ago, came back off a cruise only last week but has had to go into Hos/and have his left Leg removed from the knee. We who know him and his wife hope he gets well again soon. As I am not a member of the Forum now this is the only way I can tell members about it.
Monday, 6 November 2017 - 16:28
And just to tell any of you who knows Mr Cooper who move from Dover to Scotland some 4years ago, came back off a cruise only last week but has had to go into Hos/and have his left Leg removed from the knee. We who know him and his wife hope he gets well again soon. As I am not a member of the Forum now this is the only way I can tell members about it.Monday, 6 November 2017 - 16:28
Post 4871
Sea News, Dover
DFDS SPECIAL
DFDS LAUNCHES CHARITY PARTNERSHIP TO HELP BEAT BREAST CANCER
___________________________________________________________
Ferry operator announces fundraising initiatives to support Breast Cancer Now
Europe’s leading ferry operator, DFDS, is partnering with the UK’s largest breast cancer research charity Breast Cancer Now, to raise funds to support the organisation’s work in beating breast cancer.
The ferry operator is donating £5 to the charity for every booking made on its Dover to Calais or Dunkirk services, through a dedicated ‘Think Pink’ page on the DFDS website. Fares for travel are from £35 each way for a car and up to nine people and customers can also choose to match DFDS’ donation and add-on an extra £5 to the charity if they wish.
Breast Cancer Now is the UK’s largest breast cancer charity, dedicated to funding research into breast cancer. Right now breast cancer is at a tipping point; more women are surviving but more are being diagnosed than ever. Every 45 minutes, another woman dies from the disease. Breast Cancer Now want to change that.
Bernie Nolan, Head of Corporate Partnerships at Breast Cancer Now, said: "We’re delighted to be working with DFDS and their wonderfully enthusiastic employees and we are very grateful for the support being shown. We wish all those taking part the very best of luck in their Channel Challenge on Friday.
"At Breast Cancer Now, we believe that by 2050 everyone who develops breast cancer will live, and it is with the fantastic support of companies like DFDS that we can continue to fund cutting-edge research to help put a stop breast cancer once and for all."
Pete Akerman from DFDS added: "We are delighted to be working with the country’s leading breast cancer research charity, whose work is instrumental in beating this deadly disease. We hope that with our simple donation process at the point of booking, we can raise a significant amount to help support this worthy cause and get Breast Cancer Now that bit closer to their 2050 target of all women diagnosed with the disease, surviving."
On Friday 3 November, DFDS staff will ‘Wear it Pink’ in support of the charity, while six employees will run a relay marathon from Newhaven port to Dover port to raise further funds. The runners will cover 75 miles between them and each have a minimum fundraising target of £250. The total amount the team raise, will be matched and trebled by DFDS to further support the cause.
The Think Pink promotion is live until Thursday 30 November for travel until 23 March 2018.
DFDS offers up to 54 daily sailings on its Dover to Dunkirk and Dover to Calais ferry services. The ships café’s serving hot and cold drinks plus light snacks; a self-service restaurant offering hot and cold meals; a shop with up to 20 per cent off high-street prices on fragrances, skin care and cosmetics, plus a range of travel essentials and duty-paid goods; and a Kidz Club children’s play area that provides entertainment and activities for children during the holiday period. All of the company’s ships also feature a premium lounge, which can be booked for an additional £12 per person each way.
For more information, or to book, visit: dfds.co.uk/think-pink.
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A truly great initiative above there from DFDS. Yours truly is a tiny bit late with the news release but the message is clear and the initiative is still ongoing until NOVEMBER 30. PB.
The Calais Seaways leaving ..well..Calais recently in glorious sunshine.
Cote des Dunes almost amongst the dunes on the approaches to Calais.
Top shot shows both the Dunkerque Seaways and the Cote des Flandres arriving recently at the Port of Dover.
Monday, 6 November 2017 - 07:27
DFDS LAUNCHES CHARITY PARTNERSHIP TO HELP BEAT BREAST CANCER
___________________________________________________________
Ferry operator announces fundraising initiatives to support Breast Cancer Now
Europe’s leading ferry operator, DFDS, is partnering with the UK’s largest breast cancer research charity Breast Cancer Now, to raise funds to support the organisation’s work in beating breast cancer.
The ferry operator is donating £5 to the charity for every booking made on its Dover to Calais or Dunkirk services, through a dedicated ‘Think Pink’ page on the DFDS website. Fares for travel are from £35 each way for a car and up to nine people and customers can also choose to match DFDS’ donation and add-on an extra £5 to the charity if they wish.
Breast Cancer Now is the UK’s largest breast cancer charity, dedicated to funding research into breast cancer. Right now breast cancer is at a tipping point; more women are surviving but more are being diagnosed than ever. Every 45 minutes, another woman dies from the disease. Breast Cancer Now want to change that.
Bernie Nolan, Head of Corporate Partnerships at Breast Cancer Now, said: "We’re delighted to be working with DFDS and their wonderfully enthusiastic employees and we are very grateful for the support being shown. We wish all those taking part the very best of luck in their Channel Challenge on Friday.
"At Breast Cancer Now, we believe that by 2050 everyone who develops breast cancer will live, and it is with the fantastic support of companies like DFDS that we can continue to fund cutting-edge research to help put a stop breast cancer once and for all."
Pete Akerman from DFDS added: "We are delighted to be working with the country’s leading breast cancer research charity, whose work is instrumental in beating this deadly disease. We hope that with our simple donation process at the point of booking, we can raise a significant amount to help support this worthy cause and get Breast Cancer Now that bit closer to their 2050 target of all women diagnosed with the disease, surviving."
On Friday 3 November, DFDS staff will ‘Wear it Pink’ in support of the charity, while six employees will run a relay marathon from Newhaven port to Dover port to raise further funds. The runners will cover 75 miles between them and each have a minimum fundraising target of £250. The total amount the team raise, will be matched and trebled by DFDS to further support the cause.
The Think Pink promotion is live until Thursday 30 November for travel until 23 March 2018.
DFDS offers up to 54 daily sailings on its Dover to Dunkirk and Dover to Calais ferry services. The ships café’s serving hot and cold drinks plus light snacks; a self-service restaurant offering hot and cold meals; a shop with up to 20 per cent off high-street prices on fragrances, skin care and cosmetics, plus a range of travel essentials and duty-paid goods; and a Kidz Club children’s play area that provides entertainment and activities for children during the holiday period. All of the company’s ships also feature a premium lounge, which can be booked for an additional £12 per person each way.
For more information, or to book, visit: dfds.co.uk/think-pink.
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A truly great initiative above there from DFDS. Yours truly is a tiny bit late with the news release but the message is clear and the initiative is still ongoing until NOVEMBER 30.
PB.Top shot shows both the Dunkerque Seaways and the Cote des Flandres arriving recently at the Port of Dover.
Monday, 6 November 2017 - 07:27